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Post time 2005-8-29 06:06:25 |Display all floors

The SILENCED Chinese ...

thanks, Moderators.

thanks, CD.

How very well you are!

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Post time 2005-8-29 06:09:08 |Display all floors

I continue with the others ...

Yet, I did not read wchao’s rhetoric in this thread …

but I did take a quick glance after you wrote.  

I have objections, however, to one part of his rhetoric and that is:

>>> One apologetic word would have sufficed had it been followed by sincere, concrete actions. It is not that the Chinese do not want to forgive the Japanese. <<<


The Japanese APOLOGY, a reflection if they still have any sense of decency in them, is long overdue.  It is NOT A DEAL and NOT to be used as a deal for the Chinese forgiveness.  

Until and unless we can turn the clock back, otherwise we do not and should not forgive the Japanese for the atrocities they committed on the Chinese.  Those who can forgive are DEAD.  

WHO ARE WE to say we can forgive?

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Post time 2005-8-29 06:12:09 |Display all floors

And continue ....

If History is to have any meaning .....

As much as we should not forgive the Japanese, let’s not forget the Westerners did commit atrocities on the Chinese too ….  

In fact, the two (the Japanese’ atrocities on the Chinese and the Westerners’ humiliation of the Chinese for centuries) are inter-related, inter-connected, one leading to another ......  – Whampoa

Like I say, the “mould” they set .....

[From a Chinese Historian]

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Chinese Precautions in the 18th Century

Facts show that the Westerners China encountered at its seaports during the 16th and 17th centuries WERE ANYTHING BUT PEACEFUL TRADERS; they were in fact COLONIALIST ADVENTURISTS OF PLUNDER, as created by capitalism of Western Europe during its early stage of development.  They held aloft the Holy Bible but were ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN PIRACY.  The following is what KARL MARX said about them in Das Kapital:

>>> Of the Christian colonial system, W. Howitt, a man who makes a speciality of Christianity, says: “The BARBARITIES AND DESPERATE OUTRAGES of the so-called Christian race, throughout every region, and upon every people they have been able to subdue, are not to be parallel by those of any other race, however fierce, however untaught, and however reckless of mercy and of shame in any age of the earth.” <<< #

[# Source: Karl Marx, “Capital: A Critical Analysis of Capital Production”. Moscow Foreign Languages Publishing House, 1954, Vol. 1 pp 751-752]

To prove the correctness of the conclusion as quoted above, one could cite countless facts showing how the Portuguese, the Spaniards, the Dutch, the British, and the French mistreated Indians in America, blacks in Africa, and Asians in India, Indonesia, and the Philippines during the 16th and 17th centuries.  They CHEATED, PLUNDERED, and ENSLAVED ALL THE NATIVES who had the MISFORTUNE of meeting with them.  They SEIZED and TOOK OVER the land on which the natives had lived for many, many generations.  They even COMMITTED GENOCIDE AND WIPED OUT ENTIRE NATIONALISTS.

Describing the Westerners who arrived in China during the 16th and 17th centuries, Chester Holcombe, an American writer who once served as an envoy to China, said the following in 1910:

>>> The conduct of all these pioneers of the so-called peaceful commerce was such as BEFITTED PIRATES rather than amiably disposed and civilised men, and they well deserved not merely exclusion from the Empire (China), but extermination by the hands of the Chinese authorities.  They HARRIED THE SOUTHERN COSTS OF CHINA, PLUNDERED AND DESTROYED TOWNS AND CITIES, KILLED INOFFENSIVE MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN BY SCORES AND HUNDREDS, and then sailed peacefully away.  

As they landed, they FORCED THE NATIVE CHINESE TO CONSTRUCT FORTIFICATIONS FOR THEM, BY THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS BRUTALITIES, SEIZED AND CARRIED AWAY WOMEN, ROBBED THE NATIVES OF WHATEVER VALUABLES THEY POSSESSED, and VIOLATED EVERY PRINCIPLE OF HUMANITY AND DECENCY. <<< ##

[## Source: Chester Holcombe, “A Sketch of the Relations Between China and the Western World” in George H. Blakeslee (ed.), China and the Far East.  New York: Thomas Y. Crowell & Co., 1910, p. 36.]

Prior to the 19th century the Chinese had no idea of what the capitalist countries in Europe did in the various parts of the world.  But the Westerners soon INTRODUCED THEMSELVES BY THEIR BEHAVIOUR THE MOMENT THEY ARRIVED IN CHINA.  Seeing and watching their behaviour, naturally the Chinese would adopt certain measures they deemed proper.  ** Throughout their long history during the feudal era, they had always been most hospitable and fair-minded toward foreign traders, without ever showing any bias or prejudice.  **

[** Whampoa: I have always maintained the Chinese are never racist.  I have also (always) maintained the Chinese people are a kindly people, generous and perhaps (fortunately or unfortunately) naïve.]

After the 16th century, however, they strictly enforced certain preventive and protective measures with regard to these “UNINVITED GUESTS” from Western Europe.  They did so because they felt that their “UNINVITED GUESTS” did not give them much choice.

John W. Foster, an American diplomat and author, said the following in 1903:

>>> In the sixteenth century …. [the] rulers [of China] did not fail to note the AGGRESSIVE SPIRIT of the Portuguese, Dutch and Spaniards, who had taken possession by force the Philippines, Java and other island, and had acquired a foothold in India and the Malay Peninsula.  The early intercourse in its own ports with these nationalities and THE ENGLISH, SO MARKED BY VIOLENCE AND BLOODSHED, led the Chinese authorities to stringent measures in the seventeenth century, which resulted in the closing of all ports except that of Canton [Guangzhou], and EVEN AT THAT PORT FOREIGN INTERCOURSE WAS CONDUCTED UNDER VERY ONEROUS CONDITIONS.  <<< #*

[#* Source: John W. Foster, “American Diplomacy in the Orient”, Boston: Houghton, Mifflin and Company, 1903, pp 6-7]

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Post time 2005-8-29 06:20:49 |Display all floors

Good question, wchao37

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"..... They HARRIED THE SOUTHERN COSTS OF CHINA, PLUNDERED AND DESTROYED TOWNS AND CITIES, KILLED INOFFENSIVE MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN BY SCORES AND HUNDREDS, and then **sailed peacefully away."

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Post time 2005-8-29 07:54:39 |Display all floors

Who would read the garbage post from a banned ghost?

I don't and I am sure many of us don't.

Hey, thanks for bumping this good thread.

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Post time 2005-8-29 09:15:32 |Display all floors

Not even they themselves read the garbage

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Post time 2005-8-29 09:53:54 |Display all floors

Ok

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