Author: mpc1999

Why is it wrong to visit the Yasukuni Shrine !! [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2005-6-3 05:24:29 |Display all floors

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Question: "if they truly felt sincere about the atrocities made , then why not eradicate all remnants of the war criminals from the shrine?"

99.99% of Japanese truly felt sincere about the atrocities made.
Please tell your dissatisfaction to the rest  0.01% of Japanese.

↓The situation is same with your next idea. Because 99.99% of US people are not the menbers of KKK.

"(for example: the KKK is still active after 100+ years after the Civil War)"

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Post time 2005-6-4 05:56:11 |Display all floors

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Mpc I can see where you are coming from. There is nothing wrong with remembering those that have fallen in past battles, even battles in which your countrymen committed atrocious crimes, AS LONG AS you aren't glorifying their deeds, and truly are 'learning' from their acts.

Here you state:

"But the Yasukuni Shrine is not a place to honour the murderers of Chinese (or any other nations) victims, but a fact to remember the fact those murderers are put down to death for their actions"

"In reality it is a "lace to honour the fact brutal rapists and savage murderers received the ultimate punishment of death""


However, according to
http://yasukuni-shrine.biography.ms/

The shrine has further angered many with its defiant defense of the war criminals; [a pamphlet published by the shrine] also claims: "Some 1,068 people, who were wrongly accused as war criminals by the Allied court, were enshrined here."

"The shrine's English-language website refers to those 1,068 as those 'who were cruelly and unjustly tried as war criminals by a sham-like tribunal of the Allied forces.' "

Now, can you truly hold the opinion that Japan's visits are honoring their justly punished war criminals?

This is why visiting the shrine causes such an uproar, because many Japanese still believe that they are incapable of being wrong, and are much better than anyone else.

Forgive any exaggeration, but the base concept is true.

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Post time 2005-6-5 07:35:49 |Display all floors

moridin209

>The shrine has further angered many with its defiant defense of the war criminals; [a pamphlet published by the shrine] also claims: "Some 1,068 people, who were wrongly accused as war criminals by the Allied court, were enshrined here."

>"The shrine's English-language website refers to those 1,068 as those 'who were cruelly and unjustly tried as war criminals by a sham-like tribunal of the Allied forces.' "

>Now, can you truly hold the opinion that Japan's visits are honoring their justly punished war criminals?

>This is why visiting the shrine causes such an uproar, because many Japanese still believe that they are incapable of being wrong, and are much better than anyone else.

I am not mpc. Someone must answer your questions for Chinese people. Maybe mpc should go to Korean sites. His explanaton method is not effective for Chinese people.

1. The Jinjya manager's opinion is nothing more than his personal opinion. Visiting the jinjya is not to agree with his opinion. The main works of the Jinjya manager should be cleaning up the jinjya and selling the tickets.

2. The first uproar was made by some Japanese news papers in 1978 in Japan. I am sorry for hurting Chinese people's feelings. And the responsibilities are clearly in some Japanese news papers and the Jinjya manager.

3. "The A class war criminal's tablets are not formal. "
Maybe telling this fact is the most effective explanation method for Chinese people.

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Post time 2005-6-6 12:27:00 |Display all floors

Why it is wrong to visit Yasukuni Shrine

This is answered by Asahi Shimbun in its editorial today, as follows:

The Asahi Shimbun has received numerous letters and suggestions from members of war-bereaved families and other readers concerning its opposition to Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's visits to Yasukuni Shrine.

One line of thought has repeatedly appeared in these messages: What is wrong with grieving for those who gave their lives for their country in the past war? What could possibly be more natural than visits by the prime minister to pay reverence to such persons?

We wish to address the issues raised by such opinions.

Grieving for husbands, fathers and sons who perished after being sent out to the battlefield is indeed natural behavior. It is crucial, in fact, for those of us who live in the peaceful postwar era to share in this sentiment and action.

Each of the several million Japanese who died in war had families and futures. When we consider that, we are painfully aware of the cruelty and tragedy of war. The feelings of grief harbored by war-bereaved families and Japanese people for fallen family and friends are certainly the most natural of human sentiments.

However, it is a mistake to combine the mourning and display of respect for those who lost their lives in war with assessments of the war itself, or with the issue of leaders who have a responsibility for the war. There is a need to draw clear lines between soldiers who had no choice but to obey the orders handed to them by superiors and the responsibilities of military leaders, politicians and others who planned and carried out the war.

In 1978, Yasukuni enshrined the souls of 14 Class-A war criminals, including wartime Prime Minister Hideki Tojo who was convicted and executed for war crimes. This action compounded the complexity of the issue of mourning for Japan's war dead.

Yasukuni Shrine, previously attached to the defunct ministries of the army and navy, in the past served the purpose of providing a site to publicly manifest both grief and admiration for those who perished in conflict. In this sense, it functioned to enhance the will to fight and mobilize the populace for war. After World War II, the shrine became a religious corporation. But there has been no change in its basic message of justification for the past war.

The Yasukuni stance is that World War II was an unavoidable battle fought in self-defense. It also claims that the Class-A war criminals blamed for the war at the International Military Tribunal for the Far East were falsely accused by the Allied powers.

Some readers have also accused The Asahi Shimbun of accommodating the recent flare-up of anti-Japanese sentiment in China.

We would like to point out, however, that the Chinese are not making an issue over mourning for general soldiers. Rather, they oppose mourning for the officers who championed the war. Beijing says it cannot condone visits by the prime minister, the representative of the Japanese nation, to a shrine that honors the souls of the Class-A war criminals.

This criticism, voiced by a nation that was invaded and victimized by Japanese forces in the past, cannot be casually dismissed as anti-Japan in content.

Koizumi says he goes to Yasukuni to pray for future peace. However, we wonder if the victims of war enshrined there would really be pleased to see him engage in practices that undermine the peaceful relations Japan has built up with China and South Korea.

We would like to see a place of mourning established that a truly broad segment of the Japanese people will accept, where overseas guests of honor can also visit without hesitation to show their respect.

In 2002, a private advisory panel headed by then Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuo Fukuda proposed constructing a new nonreligious national facility as a site for mourning the war dead.

In view of recent events, we feel even more strongly that such a facility would be a far more suitable venue for the prime minister, as the representative of the Japanese people, to articulate the sincerity of our sorrow.

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Post time 2005-12-8 12:03:13 |Display all floors

After all , souls could be divided into good one and evil one though

Do you think it's ok to place the soul of Jews and the Hitlers together?

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Post time 2005-12-30 02:31:47 |Display all floors

not religion

The problem with Yasukuni is not religion or even the fact that some dead criminals are there.  The problem has much more to do with the here and now.  Yasukuni stands for a view that states

"Japan's dream of building a Great East Asia was necessitated by history and it was sought after by the countries of Asia."

So never mind that there are war criminals buried there.  The real problem is whether Ms. Merkel would
or should visit a site that states that Nazi Germany's design to conquer Europe was necessitated by history and sought after by the countries of the rest of Europe.

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Post time 2005-12-30 13:27:05 |Display all floors

Japanese leaders have no sincerity

From the way the Japanese leaders talk and act,clearly shows that they do not have the leadership quality and sincerity compared with the German leaders.The Germans are really true leaders who dare to act and not just talk and hide.

Until today,Japanese are still saying nobody are responsible for the war as the military personnel are just taking orders but the real responsibility should fall on the Emperor Hirohito.He was spared because the Americans needed Japan to check the advances of the Russian and US knows the usefulness of the Emperor.The current Emperor Akhito should be the one to start the healing process by sincerely apologising and doing something concrete about Yakusuni as the war was the responsibility of his father.This is not easy as it takes a strong leader like what the German leaders did but I am afraid he is not one of them.

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