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This post was edited by ztoa789 at 2016-6-26 05:40

First, here is my understanding of (meaningful) free speech, it consists of 3 parts :



  • First step : Information. Without all the necessary information, you will say what others want you to say, like people in North Korea.
  • Second step : Expressing your opinions. In China, people can criticize government freely, even question the system freely on internet, like in west.
  • Third step : get your opinions heard by public, that is the difference between meaningless free speech and meaningful speech. Why do you express your opinions? you don’t talk to the mirror in your private bathroom, you want public to hear your voices.

So to have a meaningful free speech, #1 and #3 are the keys, while westerners focus on #2, because their minds still stay in the era before the collapse of Berlin Wall.



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This post was edited by ztoa789 at 2016-6-26 05:31

Why do you believe there is no free speech in China ? censorship, that is step #1, oppression on dissidents, that is step #3, not step #2. ( I gave the reason why #1 doesn’t matter in China, but this thread is not about China)

Now, look at west, who control #1 ? media and journalists. who control #3? media and journalists. even on #2, media and journalists have significant advantage over public, as the opinions of a journalist are equivalent to the opinions of thousands; the opinions of an anchor are equivalent to the opinions of millions.

Please remember that in China, it is government controls #3 (its control over #1 is hardly effective, you will know it if you can read Chinese). but in west, it is media and journalists who control #1 (except information related to national security) and #3, so in west,whether or not you have freedom of speech are judged by if public are aware of the information media and journalists don’t like, and if there are public debates on opinions and topics media and journalists don’t like.

In China, there is no public debate on certain issue. In west, is there public (not academic) debate about the flaws of western democracy and human right?

Because media and journalists control #1 and #3, they should be regarded as public servants, meaning, they should provide public the whole pictures, not filtered information; and they should let public hear different opinions, not just the opinions they like public to hear.

Lot of posters here disagree that media and journalists should be regarded as public servants. So here is my answer Do westerners know that their understanding of democracy and human right is fundamentally flawed? Western understanding of human society is built on three variables : people, power and government. Three variables are not even enough to describe a society of monkeys. How can you regard anyone as part of people if they are not part of government? is a system of the rich also a system of the people, or democratic ? That is simply ridiculous.

Historically, people means those individuals who don’t have more power than the ordinary others, especially a person is not regarded as one of the people if he has power over ordinary ones. Therefore, before 1960s or 1970s, the rich were never regarded as part of people, criminals were never regarded as people.

So besides government, who else have power over ordinary public? there are lot, the rich, the media, the unions, the parasites, the criminals. How can you conveniently consider them as equal to those who have no power but work hard to earn a better livings fairly?

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I said above, media has tremendous power over public. Westerners overwhelmingly depend on media to get information about outside world and what is good for them.Your right of protesting means nothing without media coverage, you voices means nothing without media coverage.

So how can you think they are one of you?

A common delusion by westerners is that there are lot of TVs and newspapers, so they are able to get different opinions. But this is built on the assumption that they don’t share common interest. But they do, that is, being the judge in the room.

Have you ever thought why a country is only called “free” only when media is free, even with election? Have you ever thought that in almost all “free” countries (except few very rich countries without poor people), governments are treated like a b1tch and an ATM machines? That was not the case before 1960s.

It is simple, public get their information either from government or from media. By tarnishing government’s reputation, media and journalists can monopoly information and public opinions, so judge in the room, or called “King without crown” in China.

Take China as an example : during 2000 years of feudal system, people suffered misery again and again, but Chinese writers never bothered to change the system, even they had to kowtow to the emperors. Why? because they were the ones who set the rules for societies.

After 30 years economic growth, even after 600+million people have been pulled from poverty, China is a living hell in their mouth. The journalists in China, journalists in West, journalists in India, in southeast Asia anywhere universally share the same opinions on the system in China, and more they universally share the same opinions on western democracy, why? because they are the judges in the room under such system.

Now use your common sense, for vast majority of people, which one is more important, economic issues or political right? Who made you judge a political system solely on political issues?

Use your common sense again, what is the #1 reason for the misery of people all over the world? poverty, MODERN western democracy did nothing in pulling poor out of poverty, that is simple fact. What is wrong ?

Westerners never think of this seriously, never question that their believe in democracy and human right may be the reason. Here is the hint : What is so great about western democracy if most elected are SOB?

If you still trust your media dearly, here are some questions for you : (1) who convinced you to treat government like a b1tch and at same time demand government working for you? (2) who made “give the fvxx money, or I will screw you” part of human right? (3) Since when students in west lost respect to their teachers? (4) Since when western society became society of “ME, ME, ME”?

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I like to use an example to show why your media and anchors are bunch of big mouths, who always talk about “SHOULD” and “SHOULDN’T”, never talk about “HOW”.

JFK’s quote : Think not what your country can do for you, think what you can do for your country.

That is a “SHOULD”, but HOW to realize it?

I believe vast majority of Americans are willing to sacrifice more or less for their country, IF, BIG IF, everyone does.

But it is impossible that everyone is willing to, you need to give government the power to suppress those few unreasonable individuals.

But that is a ‘SHOULDN’T’, based on the principle of MODERN human right media has sold to you.

So the media you trust, makes JFK’s quote completely irrelievant.

Two advises to end this post :

Don’t trust someone who always sing music to your ears.
Media and journalists are always right only because they don’t have to do the jobs

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