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Was the 'Prophet' a Child Molester? (a.k.a. Marry a pre-pubescent girl)   [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2015-1-21 02:21:22 |Display all floors
dostoevskydr  asked me if we could take a discussion that we had in another thread...

http://blog.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-1320341-11-1.html

... to a new thread, which I figured to go one better and make an open poll for a month.

Question of the Thread:  Was the Prophet Mohammed a Child Molester for marrying a 6 six girl, then having sex with her at 9 years old?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/04/iraqi-islamic-scholar-muhammad-consummated-his-marriage-with-aisha-when-she-was-nine-and-there-is-no

Honestly, I have taken a really dim view on 'holy men' like this (i.e. John Smith, founder of the Mormon Church)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith

http://www.mormon.org/faq/who-joseph-smith

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/us/its-official-mormon-founder-had-up-to-40-wives.html

... which, if they have lived in the United States, P.R. China, or other parts of the world - would most likely throw in prison for being the sick degenerates they were, like Phillip Craig Garrido:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Lee_Dugard

And in lies the rub... as much as some talk of 'multiculturalism', would they be willing to subject their children to horny old man that claims he has sanction from God/Allah/<insert diety here>?  I sure as Hell will not.  Going to hard pressed to see most Americans agree to drop or eliminate legal age limits for marriage any more than Chinese - no matter how many of the '1.5 Billion' Muslims say they are insulted.


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Post time 2015-1-21 12:18:01 |Display all floors
This post was edited by dostoevskydr at 2015-1-21 19:10

The POLL :
CD's annual MVM poll attracts less than 50 Votes; how many votes will  this POLL  attract?


Writing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, the Orientalist scholar W Montgomery Watt wrote: "Of all the world's great men, none has been so much maligned as Muhammad."
The subject of Muhammad's marriage with a girl named Aisha is used as a point against Islam. The  claim is that since Muhammad was in his 50's and Aisha was only 9 years old, then its ok to call him a "Child Molester" and also usual cries that 'Muhammad was a pedophile'. ( Remember Islamophobic film Innocence of Muslims?) Innocence of Muslims repeated the claim Muhammad was a paedophile, but the story is more complex and interesting than that.

"The "child molester" / "Muhammad was a pedophile"  charge is an unfair attack on Islam because it doesn't apply to the Prophet in anyway", claim Muslims.
This claim  is a recurring one among critics of Islam, so its foundation deserves close scrutiny. Let us see the arguments from both sides.

BTW, If you take the time to study a bit about  Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement ( link 2 in OP ), you will learn that majority of  Muslims do not consider members of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement to be Muslims and some group them together with the Ahmadiyya Community and refer to them by the term “Qadiani” and refer to their belief as “Qadianism”. As for their population, reliable statistics on the worldwide Lahore Ahmadiyya movement do not exist. However, sources do suggest that in comparison to the Ahmadiyya Community, the Lahore Ahmadiyya population is relatively very small. In particular, it is estimated that there may be between 5000 and 10,000 Lahori Ahmadis in Pakistan and possibly up to 30,000 worldwide, thereby representing less than 0.1% of worldwide Ahmadiyya population.Ahmadiyya-specific beliefs have been thought of as opposed to contemporary mainstream Islamic thought since the movement's birth.



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This post was edited by dostoevskydr at 2015-1-21 15:55
dostoevskydr Post time: 2015-1-21 12:18
The POLL :
CD's annual MVM poll attracts less than 50 Votes; how many votes will  this POLL  at ...

Contd..............

Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself;

Narrated Aisha:  "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)".

The debate on this issue is further complicated by the fact that some Muslims believe this to be a historically accurate account. Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur'an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.


They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême.)

Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha's age at marriage.


To Be Contd.................

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Post time 2015-1-21 16:14:09 |Display all floors
Gas chambers

There is no evidence of gas chambers at Auschwitz or Treblinka.
9/11 was an inside job.
No second plane.It was a bomb.Bomb in the other building.
You KNOW without a doubt the videos are fake,right ?!
Planes don't meld into steel and concrete buildings.They crash into them !!!!!!!
It's amazing how the building ate the plane !!!
Imagine those fragile wings cutting slots in massive steel columns !!!!!
How STUPID can they think the people are to believe that crap ??!!

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Post time 2015-1-21 20:41:54 |Display all floors
dostoevskydr Post time: 2015-1-20 22:18
The POLL :
CD's annual MVM poll attracts less than 50 Votes; how many votes will  this POLL  at ...

dostoevskydr... I am curious to see that for myself.  If nothing else, it will interesting to see what sort of turnout does come form this thread.

BTW, If you take the time to study a bit about  Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement ( link 2 in OP ), you will learn that majority of  Muslims do not consider members of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement to be Muslims


Hm... trouble with major religions, they always seem to have sects.

To be continuded.......................


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Post time 2015-1-21 20:42:38 |Display all floors
jordan_c_fan Post time: 2015-1-20 22:42
Marriage and sex at younger age means a larger global population.

That, and a lack of diseases, famine, and war to keep the population down.
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